thank you for the reply, i had a really bad night with pain, i just want to cry. might start and never stop. i’ve been going though this my whole life but got really bad 22 yrs ago. are you hypermobile? i’ve always been able to do crazy things with my body like walking on the sides of my feet (on the sides of my ankles) no pain with that. in the beighton scale i would say i’m a 5 b/c i can’t tell if my knees or elbows bend back. also i am 53 with bad arthritis so i’m not as flexible as i once was. i just had partial rotator cuff surgery b/c i’ve dislocated my shoulder so many times i had to fix it. i can turn over in bed and my shoulder almost touches my neck but goes right back were it’s suppose to be. does that sound like hyper eds? thanks