November 20, 2014 at 4:59 am #747KatClemParticipant
I am an undiagnosed noob at this point, scouring as much as my brain can take in. I see that Dr. D’s symptoms were brought on by a virus. If there may be a viral component, has anyone tried using Medical Ozone to see if it helps? Just curious. I learned about it years ago when I worked for a Naturapath in Florida. We were using it with a variety of patients with good results.November 24, 2014 at 12:50 pm #5116
I’m gad someone brought this forward. Ozone can sound tempting at first blush, but ozone is a powerful OXIDANT which can be detrimental to tissue (including vessels), especially if inflamed. INSTEAD, I found ANTIOXIDANTS to be necessary for my recovery, and the doctors prescribed them for me while I was in the hospital recently. My response to powerful antioxidants (N-Acetyl Cysteine, Vitamin C and Vitamin E were the most important initially) was undeniable. The difference between killing cancer with oxidation (which can be effective) vs. reducing inflammation with antioxidants is an important one. My viruses, BTW, did not linger. I didn’t need more antivirals. I needed to address the effect of the viruses on my body instead. I have a feeling that many patients with chronic illnesses are afraid they have ongoing viral infections, when in fact, they may be dealing with the inflammatory response and continual damage from that, instead. I know we are NOT all alike, but again, my personal history is one of inflammation and damage from inflammation — triggered by viruses, but not due to ongoing viral infection (ditto with my kids). Ozone would be just the opposite of what we require to heal (yeeks). Great question! 😉November 25, 2014 at 11:44 pm #5118charlie1Participant
That was a very succinct answer Dr. D! Thanks for the explanation!November 26, 2014 at 2:14 pm #5119
Thanks, Charlie. This can be tough when patients are the ones trying to figure out what may help them, and what may hurt them. If you are not sure if inflammation is one of your problems (indicating that ANTIOXIDANTS instead of oxidants such as ozone are needed), you can look for signs like livido reticularis (purplish-pink pattern to some of your blood vessel — often seen on the upper arms), flushing, histamine sensitivity (histamine releasing cells are usually found in inflamed tissue), an almost sunburned appearance to some patches of skin (it may blanch when you push on it), GI problems (episodic diarrhea, for example), and difficulty in recovering from stress on the body (physical or mental). If your blood vessels are inflamed, oxidants (such as ozone) will encourage further inflammation, often resulting in clotting or fibrosis (permanent scarring). ANTIOXIDANTS (which are not as “glamorous”, but are hugely effective) can help retain vascular and tissue health. This is one reason why people tend to do better on diets that offer antioxidants. I hope this explanation helps! 😉November 26, 2014 at 3:09 pm #5120charlie1Participant
I have chronic livido reticularis on both my thighs, and a bit on upper arms. My doctor has seen it and said its not a problem, lots of people have that. Ugh, I better not get started…!
Also I have lots of difficulty in recovering from physical and/or mental stress so for some time now have been trying to increase my antioxidants in my diet and should probably consider taking Vit C regularly! That is especially necessary with the cold Canadian winter already upon us!
Thanks again for a great explanation!
CharlieNovember 26, 2014 at 3:56 pm #5121
You know, this brings back memories. Years ago, a doctor prescribed an antiviral for my son (amantadine), hoping it may help him. Instead, it worsened his livido reticularis and I saw that this side-effect was not uncommon for amantadine. Livido reticularis is often a sign of vascular inflammation, and I do not believe it should be taken lightly. Too many of us end up with blood clots, phlebitis, antiphospholipid syndrome, etc. My response to ANTIoxidants (when I was especially sick) was undeniable. Vitamin C is critical, of course, and I found N-acetyl cysteine to be especially helpful. I had to hit it hard for about a month and found dietary antioxidants to be insufficient. After some help with antioxidant supplements, what a change! So at the risk of beating a dead horse 😉 again I would caution everyone about the risks of oxidation (such as ozone), and the vascular and tissue inflammation and blood clots that can result from these proposed treatments. I’m a believer in ANTIoxidants because of my dramatic personal response, and because of the vast amount of research out there. It all makes sense when I look back at it all now. Gentle hugs…
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